Monday, April 3, 2017

Interview: -- Felix Cavaliere (The Rascals)

" and me
endlessly groovin'"
~The Rascals ~

In the '60s, The Rascals, led by Felix Cavaliere, filled our airwaves with a unique blend of joyful rock and blue-eyed soulness.  They could play with a garage grit that could make your fingernails dirty and back sweaty.  And then just as quickly, refresh your mind and body like a naked run through a warm spring rain.  The Rascals were different, in the fact that they could sell it from both sides of the street.

From the raucous "Good Lovin'" to the introspective "How Can I Be Sure," the band was a perfect radio companion.

And also along the way, Felix Cavaliere tapped into that elusive, mysterious, rarely-found, cosmic songwriter's well...and gave us "A Beautiful Morning" and "Groovin'"...two of the most timeless, calming, feel-good songs ever.  Just try to stay mad!

And though The Rascals have been recognized by their peers for their contributions to rock-n-roll...and rightfully so...their music may still be undervalued.  Go get you some.

Felix Cavaliere Interview  -  April  2017
Felix Cavaliere (vocals, keyboards)

Casey Chambers:  Let's begin with one of your signature songs..."A Beautiful Morning." Talk about timeless.  How did that song come to life?

Felix Cavaliere:  At that time, we were really flying high on the charts. We had number one records.  And at that particular time, we were out on the island of Waiehu.  I was madly, madly in love.  I had met this woman who was the inspiration for almost every one of those love songs.  And here we were in Hawaii finding ourselves as big as The Beatles and I said, 'Let me write something that reflects this feeling so that other people can kinda feel like this whenever they hear it.'  And that's what came out.

Casey Chambers:  When The Rascals hit the studio in 1968 to record, "A Beautiful Morning" ...were you already toying with the idea of adding wind chimes?

Felix Cavaliere:  Well yeah, I basically had that idea. At that time, The Beatles had a song called, "Yellow Submarine" and it had bells and underwater sounds.  They were creating an environment for their songs to fit into.  I said, 'What a great idea, man.  Create an environment.'  So obviously, our song was a morning kinda situation.  The Beatles were just phenomenal writers and they started so many different things.

"A Beautiful Morning" - The Rascals / "Time Peace" (1968)

Casey Chambers:  "A Beautiful Morning" peaked at #3 while "Mrs. Robinson" was riding the coattails of "The Graduate" at #1.  Did you ever happen to cross paths with those..."old friends?"

Felix Cavaliere:  Oh sure.  Many times. And when I'm traveling, I still run into Paul a lot in New York City because he goes to one of the restaurants I really enjoy.  As for Art, I see him once in awhile.  He lives at the place I stay at when I'm in New York.

And whether a song reaches #1, 2, 3, whatever... you really can't just go by the number. There are so many outside influences that can affect a record's status.  For example, having a song tied into a movie is obviously going to get a hell of a lot of attention.  And there's a lot of politics involved. There's a lot of marketing involved.  There's a lot of good luck involved.  But, I believe that the longevity of a song, how often you still hear it, is important as well.  "A Beautiful Morning" has survived the test of time for over 50 years now and that has its own value, I think.

Casey Chambers:  Absolutely.  That's a very good point. Now The Rascals first big hit was a cover of "Good Lovin'" by The Olympics.  How did you get turned on to that burner?

Felix Cavaliere:  You're going way back, now.  In the very beginning, we were working in nightclubs.  And clubs, at that time, demanded that you do covers.  Covers meant you didn't write it.  You may not have recorded it. But someone did and it was on the radio.

Well, that could be very difficult, especially if you didn't really like what was on your radio.  You had to kind of explore other avenues.  Fortunately, we had a number of R&B stations in the New York area.  And a lot of the songs that were on those stations were really great but had never crossed over to the pop charts.  They were either too ethnic or too whatever you want to call it.

So what I would do, I would go and listen and listen and if I heard something that really rang my bell, I'd take it back to the band and we'd try it out.  And the beauty of that is when you have a live audience, you get immediate reaction to...well...they like it or they hate it.  And with that song, people got up and danced as soon as we started playing it the first night.  So we knew we had something here, ya know what I'm saying?

"Good Lovin'" - The Young Rascals / The Young Rascals (1966)

Casey Chambers:  Yeah, instant feedback.

Felix Cavaliere:  Absolutely.  And vice versa.

Casey Chambers:  Was "Good Lovin" the song that got The Rascals their record deal with Atlantic?

Felix Cavaliere:  I don't know that it was any particular song.  What was happening, was that we were the house band at this place in Long Island called The Barge.  And The Barge was in The Hamptons which, as you well know, is still one of the major, major kind of highlights of everybody in New York who can afford it.  I have to put that little bit of note in there because the Hamptons is just an expensive place to be.

Casey Chambers:  I know The Hamptons from my George Costanza Seinfeld binges.

Felix Cavaliere: (laughs) And so anyway, we went out there, I believe, in the summer of '65.  And we created quite a stir because, well frankly, because we were really a good band.  We had four members, at least three of which had been leaders of their own bands.  So it was kind of like...headliner, headliner, headliner, headliner.  You know what I'm saying?  And Atlantic heard about us along with a lot of other record companies.  And they sent people out to hear us.

Casey Chambers:  Exciting life-changing times for The Rascals.

Felix Cavaliere:  It was extremely exciting and especially with the fact that we had only been a group since February and it was now July.  So that's pretty darn good.  I'm really proud of that.

Casey Chambers:  Hard to believe, but we're coming upon the 50th anniversary of The Rascals' 3rd album... "Groovin'." (1967)  I'm kind of jealous I wasn't around to experience this music first hand.

Felix Cavaliere:  I think one of the things about the '60s that I really enjoyed, and still do enjoy, is the link that we have with each other.  We didn't have internet or Facebook...but we did have a tremendous amount of communication through the music.

All of us were linked to each other by what we heard on the radio.  And we kind of grew up together.  We fell in love together.  We got divorced together.  We got into drugs together.  We got into trouble together.  Everyone felt a  connection.  And I'm happy to say that it was because of the music.

And when I do a concert today, those are the people, young and old, that come and tune back into that frequency.  And man, they all understand what I'm saying because that's the beauty of it.

Casey Chambers:  When The Rascals began incorporating some psyche into their music, was Atlantic supportive of that musical shift?  Did they encourage that?

Felix Cavaliere:  Ya know, we had a phenomenal record deal in that we had complete control.  One of the reasons that we went with Atlantic is because I demanded that we produce ourselves.  I was very, very, very adamant about that.  And the good fortune was, that while they contractually gave us complete control, they also gave us two geniuses to work with in the studio.  And those people were Tom Dowd and Arif Mardin.  And when I use the word geniuses, I don't use that loosely.

When we started making records, and they started becoming hits, the record company eased off for the most part.  It was kind of like...'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.'  So they really didn't have much to say about what went on unless they did it through Arif and Tom...who were Atlantic employees, no doubt about it.  But we never had much static.  The only static we had from the so-called hierarchy was when we decided on a single.  At certain times, they disagreed with our choice.

Casey Chambers:  I recall reading that Atlantic was wanting to sandbag the song..."Groovin" at first.  And that song, of course, went on to become a number one record for you guys.

"Groovin'" - The Young Rascals / "Groovin'" (1967)

Felix Cavaliere:  It's really interesting because no one really knows the answer to...what's a hit and what's not a hit?  I guess a record company tries to use as many formulas as they can to market a group.  But this was all new territory for Atlantic.  We were the first white group on Atlantic Records.  Their experience was mostly with R&B artists and jazz artists.  So it was a new world for them.  And it's like anything else.  Look, their judgment was good.  Their judgment was bad.

As for "Groovin," what they were really concerned with was the fact that there was no drum on it.  It was done in a Latin vein which is conga. And I knew because I lived in New York, that the Latin influence in New York City was immense.  And look at it now.  It's even more huge.   They just weren't tuned into that as much as I was.

Casey Chambers:  Didn't Murray The K fight like a cat to get that song played?

Felix Cavaliere:  He certainly did.  He certainly did.  He happened to be in the studio and he literally took it upon himself to go into Atlantic and speak to Jerry Wexler.  And he said, 'Look, man, not only is this a hit, but I'll play it now!' (laughs)  He was a great guy, man.  We used to go to football games together.  Miss him.  And in those days, there was a little bit of freedom of movement with these disc jockeys in that they had a lot of say about what was played on the air.

Those days are long gone I'm sorry to say.  Now it's all corporate.  It comes from headquarters. And then you play it. That didn't really start until Zeppelin came along. That and Woodstock of course.  And then the Wall Street people started taking a little bit more notice.

But prior to that, we were little cottage industries as far as everybody else was concerned.  And the disc jockeys had a lot of power.  Cousin Brucie.  And of course, Murray the K.  The Good Guys at WMCA.  People like that all around the United States.  They could actually choose a song that they liked and play it.  But those days are over.  Gone.  That's the way it is, man.  Corporate.

Casey Chambers:  This is kind of a fun fact...Jimi Hendrix warmed up for The Rascals at a show in Central Park one time.

Felix Cavaliere:  I knew Jimi from America prior to him going over to England and becoming "discovered" so to speak.  He had been a sideman for some really great groups.  Like The Isley Brothers.  I believe he was also part of Joey Dee And The Starlighters at one time, which I was as well.  So he had gone to England and literally had been discovered.

So anyway, he had procured a record deal and had just come back from England.  And that show with The Rascals was one of the first concerts that he did.  And I believe he opened up for The Monkees, too, if I'm not mistaken.  But we were one of the first.

Casey Chambers:  In 1997, The Rascals were inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

Felix Cavaliere:  Oh sure.  Yeah, it was a great night for us.  Being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a wonderful thing.  I certainly would not belittle it in any way, but as with most awards, it's pretty political.  We really needed a lot of help getting in there.  I mean, there are great people that I know who are not in and they're kind of like...they just don't know what to do about it.

Eddie Money, for example, and this is funny.  He calls me up and says, 'Felix, you gotta get me into the Hall Of Fame.  My kids don't think I mean anything.'  I tell him, 'I really have nothing to do with that.  I vote.  We vote.  But we don't nominate.'  He says, 'Sometimes I feel like the Pete Rose of rock and roll.' (laughs)  But there's a lot of people not in.  Chubby Checker's not in there.  A lot of people have had problems.  I mean, there's just so many talented and interesting people that should be in there.

The induction that really stands out for me is the Songwriters Hall Of Fame.  I just adored that.  That really meant a lot.  It's not as well known...but I mean, the people who are in the Songwriters Hall Of Fame are really the best.  You find people from all generations.  All the way back to Johnny Mercer.  Phenomenal talents.  Hal David, rest his soul.  Burt Bacharach and Hal David.  Gamble and Huff. Of course, McCartney and Lennon.  They're the cream of the crop.  And it's an honor just to be mentioned in that category.  It really is.

Casey Chambers:  It had to have been especially a see your original compositions begin paying off.  Your classic..."(I've Been) Lonely Too Long" began a string of fan favorites.

"(I've Been) Lonely Too Long" - The Young Rascals / "Collections" (1967)

Felix Cavaliere:  That was a huge, huge thing for me, yes.  Basically, when you put out a record like "Good Lovin," and it hits number's very difficult to re-achieve that.  And with everyone else, all our peers from England, doing their own music, ya know, we really wanted to do that too.

However, it's much easier said than done.  And let me tell you, I think "Lonely Too Long" was our third try.  And when that song took off and charted, it really made a huge difference in our career.  Because if we hadn't of scored pretty soon, I got a feeling the label would have stepped in and said, 'we gotta get outside people to write.'  So that was huge.

Casey Chambers:  Yeah, it was a great way of telling the label...'Hey, smell it!  The Rascals got this."

Felix Cavaliere:  (laughs) Yeah ya know, as I say I'm proud of that because the competition was really very high level.  You basically had to reach that level to survive.  And we did.  The nice thing is that a lot of that music is still around.

Casey Chambers: "Lonely Too Long" was also featured in an episode of "The Sopranos." ("Down Neck"-S1:E7)  It was the scene where Tony's having flashbacks and The Rascals appear on the TV set performing on The Ed Sullivan Show.

Felix Cavaliere:  Well, you know our link to "The Sopranos", don't you?  I don't know if you're aware of what that is, but when we did get into The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, we were inducted by Steve Van Zandt.   His induction speech got him his part in "The Sopranos."

Casey Chambers:  I'd never heard that!

Felix Cavaliere:  If you look at it, it was brilliant.  And as a result, he got a phone call out of the blue from David Chase, the fella who created The Sopranos.  And Steve was asked to audition.  That's how he got it.  So we have a direct link to "The Sopranos" from day one.  It's an amazing little bit of trivia.  But it's true.

Casey Chambers:  "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."  Like they say, every performance is an audition.

Felix Cavaliere:  There is nothing more true than that, Casey.  You never know who's out there watching.  And Steve was also very instrumental in helping us get into the Hall of Fame.  He was, and probably still is, on the nominating board.  He and Phil Spector and a lot of other people really came to bat for us.  Getting nominated is the hardest part.  Getting voted in, well, that's also not so easy.  But first, you have to be nominated.  Otherwise, you can't get in.

Casey Chambers:  Sounds like a whole lot of chutes and ladders.

Felix Cavaliere:  (laughs) Well, like everything else, it's not as easy as it looks.

Casey Chambers:  Well, I've only scratched the surface of your career, but as a longtime fan, I'm very happy The Rascals are in. They certainly deserve to be.   Come out and do a show for us sometime!

Felix Cavaliere:  That's very nice of you.  March Madness.  Wichita State.  Yeah, we've worked out there.  I hope to get the chance to come out again.

Casey Chambers:  Mr. Cavaliere, thank you very much for hanging out with me today.

Felix Cavaliere:  Alright, my friend.  Thank you, Casey.

The Rascals Hall of Fame Induction (1997)

Felix Cavaliere Website                                                                
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Saturday, March 4, 2017

Interview: -- Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)

"Broken neck.
Worry, stress and fret.
Now, I'm back to steel."
~ Martin Barre ~

Martin Barre carried the guitar torch in the iconic band Jethro Tull for 45 years.  Let that sink in for a moment.  That's like 112 in classic rock years.

From the powerful riffs to the more gentler runs, Martin's guitar was the perfect balance of rock thunder and prog folk lightening.  And, together with frontman Ian Anderson's flute-wizardry, they countered and connected in a unique blend of sounds that made us all feel a wee bit like time travelers.  And maybe a little more cognizant of the earthlier delights.  Tull made us feel lighter in spirit.  Fiercer in battle.  Martin Barre played no small part in the fueling and feeding of this machine.

After the band broke up in 2014, Martin had earned every right to take a breath from the locomotive.  Instead, he continues to bring the rock...touring all over the orb...performing a healthy mix of Tull classics and songs from his own albums, most recently "Back To Steel."  ALL ABOARD!

Martin Barre (guitar)

Casey Chambers:  Your most recent album, "Back To Steel" (2015) a fine collection of 15 songs.  And along with your own original take on the heady task of covering the Beatles, "Eleanor Rigby."  You give it a much heavier jacket and I thought it worked.  How did your version come about?

Martin Barre:  Thank you.  I wrote that arrangement as an instrumental quite a few years ago to play on stage with (Jethro) Tull and I never got 'round to doing it.  And when I was recording "Back To Steel"....I found the cassette on a shelf at the studio and thought it would be fun to have a go at it.  The band was still doing some backing in the studio for the album, so we ran it as a song and it sounded really good.  So that's how it came together.

I quite love playing Beatles stuff.  And audiences know The Beatles well and enjoy hearing it.  On this tour, we're doing another Beatles song, too.  It's a surprise. (laughs)   But we do plenty of Tull and I do my own material, too.  I just think it's really good fun to throw in something a bit unusual in the setlist. If we fancy a song would be really good live, we'll try and play it on stage.

"Eleanor Rigby"  -  Martin Barre / "Back To Steel" (2015)

Casey Chambers:  And you once had the opportunity to play on a song with Sir Paul McCartney.

Martin Barre:  Yeah, that's right.  There was a whole bunch of musicians who were invited to do a session in London.  And we didn't know anything about what or who it was for.  But it was an audition.  Evidently, Paul McCartney listened to all these different sessions and he picked out the ones that he liked.  And so luckily, I was invited down to his studio in Sussex for a week of recording.  I did a week of sessions with Paul for the album,  "Flowers In The Dirt" (1989) but it didn't make the album.  The track I was on..."Atlantic Ocean"...came out later in Japan. (laughs)

Casey Chambers:  That song was also released as a bonus track on McCartney's "Young Boy" CD single.

Martin Barre:  Yeah, the song wasn't released worldwide. It's a nice one to know.  It's a bit...musically, I would have liked to have done something a bit more meaningful with the Paul McCartney.  But, I'm grateful I had a week working with him.  He was truly an inspirational musician to work with. He was always sort of my schoolboy, childhood hero. So it was an incredible experience.

"Atlantic Ocean"  -  Paul McCartney / "Return To Pepperland: The Unreleased 1987 Album" (2000)

Casey Chambers:  You made many great albums with Jethro Tull, but your piece de resistance will always be "Aqualung" (1971)...which simply kicks ass and takes names.  (In fact, it's still kicking ass and hasn't even gotten to the names yet.)  Killer riffs, runs and solos. The title track, in particular, was voted by Guitar World as having the 25th best guitar solo of all-time.
How much planning went into that piece of magic?

Martin Barre:  Y'know I never work my solos out.  I just like to hear and study the chords in my mind and then try and form melody around those chords.  I don't follow blues pentatonic playing or any particular stylized form of guitar playing.  But I always like to think that the guitar solo is a melody.  Almost a song in itself.  It has a beginning...a build up...a melodic turn through it.  Rarely, I would work out the guitar solo.  Very rarely.  Mostly I just like to play along.  I mean, I can hear the melody in my brain.  I'll play it merely seconds later.  My fingers just follow the melody that's going through my mind.  I just love to hear experimentation and just...I'd rather have a sweet, melodic solo than one with all sorts of crazy, pyrotechnic playing in it.

I was using a Gibson Les Paul Junior...through a high watt amplifier.  I played a Les Paul Junior, 'cause I had met Leslie West (Mountain) a couple of years before that and we became great friends.  It was sort of his signature a 1958 Les Paul Junior.  So I went out and bought one and played that for quite a few years with Jethro Tull.  But I mean I've had lots of different Gibsons I've played over the years.

Casey Chambers:  And you play it like you're keeping the bull in the chute...but just barely.  Did you realize you had raised the bar just a wee bit?

Martin Barre:  Not at all. (laughs)  No.  I can only be a critic of my own playing.  I mean, I haven't listened to that solo for a long time.  But I know if I listen to it, I'll just hear what I thought was wrong with it rather than what was right with it.

I enjoy writing songs.  I enjoy arranging.  We spoke about, "Eleanor Rigby."  Now I can listen to that.  I can enjoy the music and the arrangement of it.  But my playing...I've never stepped back and thought, 'ahh, that's really good.'  I'm just moving on all the time and striving to play better.  I've never really looked back on what I've done.  And I definitely don't analyze it.  Particularly as being special...or good.  I really appreciate and I'm very proud that people rate the "Aqualung" solo very highly, but I'll leave other people to do things like that.

"Aqualung"  -  Jethro Tull / "Aqualung" (1971)

Casey Chambers:  Very cool.  Jumping back to your "Back To Steel" also did a reworking of the early Tull song, "Skating Away."

Martin Barre:  Yeah, well I enjoy finding Tull tracks that I can put a bit of my own imprint on.  Taking a really good song and recording it a bit differently.  "Skating Away" was very acoustic originally.  Quite delicate.  And I thought we could make it a bit beefier.  A bit more electric.

Casey Chambers:  It's a fresh take.  It's like hearing the song for the first time.

Martin Barre:  Yeah, well that's the idea.  They're great songs, but I wanted to sort of make them more current. A bit more dynamic.  I always use the words...'deconstruct reconstruction'. (laughs)  What Chayefsky used in other words.  It's the same thing really.  You're taking something very familiar.  You're pulling all the ingredients apart from each other.  And then you're reconstructing it in a slightly different way.  I think it's an exciting way to look at music.

It's a challenge, but I quite like the tracks that never worked for Jethro Tull on stage. Some of them were too difficult to play.  Others just didn't gel. The last one I did was "Sealion" and we play that one now and it sounds really, really cool.  I'm always looking for something that will surprise people at the shows.

"Skating Away"  -  Martin Barre / "Back To Steel" (2015)

Casey Chambers:  Where did you get the idea for the title track, "Back To Steel?"

Martin Barre:  While I was in America, I took a road trip and I went up to Gruhn Guitars in Nashville.  And I found this really old...sort of a jazz 1956 Gibson guitar.  It wasn't too expensive and I bought it.  On the way back, I stopped at a hotel.  I couldn't go out and eat (laughs) so I just sat in the hotel room and played this guitar for hours. It was just a beautiful thing.  A beautiful piece of wood. Steel strings.

The basic ingredient of music is a simple instrument and somebody playing it.  Back to the roots.  Back to the basic elements.  And I was wondering what ghosts that instrument had.  What memories did it have of others who had played it?  It was just a lovely thing.  And "Back To Steel" is a good track live as well.

"Back To Steel"  -  Martin Barre / "Back To Steel" (2015)

Casey Chambers:  I'd like to ask you about the 1970 Isle Of Wight Festival.  I've heard it was a bit of a mixed bag for some performers, but when Jethro Tull hit the stage, you guys turned it into the Isle of Ass-Kick.  What was it like there?

Martin Barre:  (laughs) Yeah, well it was such an exciting occasion.  I mean it was a bit like Woodstock.  It was such an important festival.  It was an incredible collection of people and bands.  I've got the ad from that festival at home that was in the music papers and the line-up was phenomenal.  Hendrix.  Moody Blues.  The Who.  Jethro Tull.  Ten Years After.  I can't remember everybody but it was enormous.  And there was reputedly half a million people there.  It was unheard of.  It was groundbreaking.  And it was very exciting to be part of it.

I think the Moody Blues played right before us.  It was chaos.  The only way you could get to backstage was by helicopter. (laughs)  They flew you in just before you played and they flew you out as soon as you had finished.  So you couldn't really stay and watch the rest of the festival, which was a bit of a shame.  It was absolute chaos.  But amazing, anyway.

Who remembers this iconic album?

Casey Chambers:  I would have loved to have been a part of that event.  So many legends.  Now you've given us 45 years with Jethro Tull and you're still bringing the rock to the house with your solo career.  And you're touring the states right now.

Martin Barre:  Yeah, well this is our fourth American tour.  We play three-hour sets, so there's a lot of songs we put into the show.  I like to get a 50/50 balance of Jethro Tull material and my own material.  Old blues standards.  Fun music. We're starting in Florida and we're working our way up through Atlanta, Chattanooga, Asheville.  And then we're up into Chicago.  Philadelphia.  New York. (laughs)  It's ten weeks.  It's all at

Casey Chambers:  I'll put a link at the bottom with all your tour dates.

Martin Barre:  And we're coming back in September to do some more shows.  I'm doing as many shows as I can possibly do to establish my band in America.  And it's almost starting from zero because it's a new band.  People don't know what they're going to get.  So, we've got to fight for every fan, ya know?  You really have to work hard to get people in touch with your music.  But it's working really well.  We're making new friends and getting more fans.  The shows keep getting stronger and stronger.  It's a very positive experience.

Casey Chambers:  That's really great to hear.  I hope we'll get the opportunity to see your band throw Kansas a bone this year.

Martin Barre:  Yeah, well I don't know why we haven't played there.  I mean that's disgusting. (laughs)  I know Tull has definitely played Kansas many times.  We just want to play everywhere.  It's impossible, but I'm working on it.

Casey Chambers:  One more thing I want to mention.  "The Jethro Tull Christmas Album" (2003)...was an absolute gem.  Period.  But it was also the final Jethro Tull album.  I was thinking how fitting that the last song on it was the beautiful instrumental..."A Winter Snowscape"...that you composed.  Simply a wonderful song.

"A Winter Snowscape"  -  Jethro Tull / "The Jethro Tull Christmas Album" (2003)

Martin Barre:  Oh, thank you.  I'm really pleased that you mentioned that because it's a very special piece of music for me.  I really enjoy playing it.  Now occasionally we do an acoustic set in the middle of the electric show and that's one of the songs that we play.  I originally wrote it for a solo album called, "Stage Left" in the '90s but then Ian said we were going to do a Christmas album.

In my mind, when I wrote, "A Winter Snowscape," I just thought it had a Christmas atmosphere to it.  I've got no idea why. (laughs)  But the image in my brain was a snowy scene, a log fire, and all that stuff.  I didn't sit down and try to write a piece of Christmas music.  But as I was writing it, the song just sort of became what it naturally is.   Yeah, I'm very fond of it.  It's an important piece of music for me.

Casey Chambers:  Martin, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me this morning.  And thank you for all of the music you've given us.

Martin Barre:  Thank you, too, Casey.

Official Martin Barre Website

Good stuff.

Casey Chambers

Wednesday, January 25, 2017

Horsehead Five: Another 5 Must-Watch YT Performances

Here are 5 songs that were meant to be witnessed.  Something's happening.  Entertaining magic.  Your ears will love it, but your eyes will love it more.  ~Horsehead

"Hey Hey, My My (Into the Black)" - Neil Young & Crazy Horse ("Ragged Glory" tour 1991)

I get it. A thousand times five you've heard this song.  But this particular performance is a bookmark.  One of those magical spells when the music and the audience become one. Neil Young and Crazy Horse play it crunchy, ...but this time, it is the collective mind of the rock crowd that carries the freight to a whole other level. In this joyful juxtaposition of a little over five minutes, the audience becomes the teacher...leaving Neil Young, wearing his Elvis Presley t-shirt, very little doubt the imprint his rock-n-roll stones have cast.

"So What" - Miles Davis (The Robert Herridge Theater, NY - April 2, 1959)

I'm still amazed how cool early television could actually be. Here is Miles Davis (with heavy company) performing his ground-breaking iceberg of a jam..."So What"...broadcasted in 1959 across the airwaves in perfect black-and-white.  This song, along with the classic album, "Kind of Blue" had yet to be it's all new and baby-jazz fresh to listeners. Maybe not his definitive performance, but the historical weight of the music cannot be denied.
For those keeping score:
Miles Davis - trumpet
John Coltrane - tenor sax
Wynton Kelly - piano
Paul Chambers - bass
Jimmy Cobb - drums

"Stagger Lee" - Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

Now this one is a bit of a firestick!  I became reacquainted with Nick Cave from Netflix-binging, "Peaky Blinders."  Digging deeper, I found a blistering performance of Nick Cave chewing on the heavily-covered song..."Stagger Lee"...and he swallows it whole.  Absolutely owns it!  And The Bad Seeds are right there with him.  This is good stuff and must-watch YT.  Good Lord, sign me up.

"The Passenger" - Iggy Pop (09-25-77 Apollo Theater, Manchester)

I don't believe Iggy was totally wasted. Not this time. I've seen him much worse.  But he sure looks like he was trippin' nicely none the less.  That Iggy would go on to survive all those indulgences of rock-n-roll is a wonderful wonder.  This is a sweetly fascinating performance of his classic..."The Passenger" and it must be the busload of bass keeping Iggy from falling over.

The Cramps - (California State Mental Hospital in Napa, CA on June 13, 1978)

The Cramps (this is 2 songs, but short) were surprisingly given permission to hold a free concert for patients being treated inside of a mental hospital!  It sounds like a joke, and maybe the idea was in the beginning, but The Cramps played it for real. Hard, fast and with total respect and empathy for their captive audience.
The patients were allowed to wander freely on and off stage and I felt a bit guilty watching the interaction.  I expected to see eye rolls and smirks from the band and was relieved they played it honest.  And while watching, I realised the "line" between them and us may not be that far to cross.  And is it just me, or does the guitar player look like a G.E. Smith doppleganger?

Good stuff.

Casey Chambers

Thursday, January 12, 2017

Interview: -- Joe Bouchard (Blue Oyster Cult)

in the night... 
sirens delight."
~ Blue Oyster Cult ~

Like all great bands and big bad wolves, Blue Oyster Cult will come and blow your house right the fawck down.  They can thunder your windows.  Speedmetal your doors.  But just as likely, they will have already slithered inside.  Slipped through the cracks in the wall.  Lying in wait.  Waiting.  Inside your dark closet.  Behind your bathroom curtain.  Underneath your safe cozy bed.  And it's there where Blue Oyster Cult will bleed you.  They didn't sing so much about the pompatus of love.  Or heaven and hell.  But about reapers and vampires.  Monsters, abductors and screamers. That was their job.

Sure, the Boys in the BOC...Joe Bouchard, Eric Bloom, Albert Bouchard, Buck Dharma, Allen Lanier...could always get right smack in your face.  But they also enjoyed the subtle play and plunder before the confrontation.  They had your head-rockin' long before you realised you were partyin' to a "come-as-you-are" suicide party invitation.  Or jammin' down to a serial killer's proud collection of eyes.  Blue Oyster Cult will always be the Stephen King of heavy metal rock-n-roll.  Now dim the lights, put the record on and see if you can float.

Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals)

Casey Chambers:  My favorite Blue Oyster Cult song, and I have a bunch of favorites from your discog, is "Nosferatu" from the "Spectres" album (1977) and it's one you composed.   It has such a haunting and ominous sound that gets me every time. And yet it's beautiful.

Joe Bouchard:  Yes, definitely.  One of my most popular songs.

Casey Chambers:  How did that song come together for you?

Joe Bouchard:  It came together pretty fast actually.  I had a studio in my garage with this old white grand piano.  And it was pretty much one of those things where I just sat down and improvised.  The reason the song happened at all was because we were supposed to do a tour of Canada and it got cancelled.  So when I came home for a couple of extra days, I got this lyric from my collaborator, Helen Wheels.  She wrote the lyrics and it's pretty much just like she gave it to me.  I wrote the music and it worked out really good. It's definitely a fan favorite.  I still play it.  I don't play it a lot, but I have played it several times in the last few years.

"Nosferatu" -- Blue Oyster Cult /"Spectres" (1977)

Casey Chambers:  It's fantastic.  And it seems fitting that Blue Oyster Cult would open and close the "Spectres" album with an homage to iconic horror films.

Joe Bouchard:  Yes.  It just happened that way.  I don't know who did the sequencing.  It was usually my brother (Albert Bouchard) and the producers.  The other guys might have had some influence.  Of course, you can't go wrong when you start the album with..."Godzilla."  That was a big one for us.  I just played it last weekend with my brother and my nephews up in Cambridge, Massachusetts.  And yeah, I love playing "Godzilla."  It was written by our guitarist Buck Dharma.  Also known as Donald Roeser.  I just heard the demo for that song recently and what we recorded on that album was a lot like his demo.  So he's really responsible for the writing of that song and he did a great job with it.

Casey Chambers:  Oh, yeah. "Godzilla" hits you right in the mouth.  "Nosferatu"...on the other hand, does the haunting slow creep from behind.  Had you occasion to see the movie before sitting down at the piano?

Joe Bouchard:  Ya know, I can't remember watching it then, but I definitely saw the old Dracula movies.  I had seen some of the iconic scenes from "Nosferatu"...but I had never watched the film all the way through until just this last Halloween.  I did this crazy dance mix of "Nosferatu"...and while making the video for Youtube, I did finally watch the whole movie.  I know it sounds blasphemous, (laughs) but I enjoy doing remixes.  I've been doing remixes of songs that I wrote for Blue Oyster Cult.  I finally got around to remixing "Fallen Angel"...which was a single for us in the '80s in England and it was a lot of fun.

Casey Chambers:  Who were some of your influences?  Was the bass your first instrument?

Joe Bouchard:  Well, ya know, before I was a bass player, I was a guitar player.  And I was influenced by all the guitarists from the British Invasion.  Of course, Paul McCartney was a big influence.  He always had the right bass line for the songs. But I think probably my biggest influence as the one bass player I sort of imitate the most was Roger Glover from Deep Purple.

He had a similar way of supporting the band.  And also he uses a pick and uses a fairly aggressive sound.  And that's what I did.  I didn't really think about it consciously at the time.  But now, looking back in retrospect, definitely Roger Glover from Deep Purple was a big influence for me.

Casey Chambers:  Did your paths ever cross?

Joe Bouchard:  Oh yeah!  I saw him in the studio several times.  He's a really, really nice guy.  We actually played on a few of the classic Deep Purple shows back in the '70s.  We did a stadium in Florida.  A few other shows.  They were always a great band to see.  How they worked the audience.  I mean we're talking about the Ritchie Blackmore era.

I actually went to Ritchie Blackmore's house once.  He was living on Long Island.  Now when we were on tour he was...well...notoriously difficult on tour.  I don't know if you've heard the stories...but when we went to his house, he was the nicest guy.  He had a little pub built into his living room and he was very sweet and cordial.   So I think he's one of those guys that has a bit of Jekyll and Hyde.  Anyway, it was interesting.  Martin Birch, who produced a lot of the classic Deep Purple records...was also producing us.  He produced "Burnin' For You" and my song, "Fallen Angel."  We were recording out on Long Island near Ritchie's house, so, yeah it was fun rubbing shoulders with rock stars.

We didn't get to see that many because we were always working.  And once you're on tour, it's sort of a different atmosphere.  And you don't wanna get in anybody's space. We had a few close friends in other bands.  Like Foghat. Phil Lynott. Thin Lizzy and a few others. Lemmy was a good friend of ours. Black Sabbath.  But, most of the bands...we were pretty separate when we were on tour.

Casey Chambers:  Lynott, Lemmy, and Bouchard.  Brother bassists-in-arms.

Joe Bouchard:  Yeah.  Phil even let me use his bass.

Casey Chambers:  How'd that happen?

"Godzilla" -- Blue Oyster Cult / "Spectres" (1977)

Joe Bouchard:  Our equipment didn't show up for a gig.  It was a big show in New York City.  Down at the...I think it was the Palladium.  Our equipment didn't make it and Thin Lizzy was our opening act.  We said, 'Hey, would it be okay if we used your gear?'  And they said, 'Oh sure!  Use whatever you want.'

Casey Chambers:  The instruments are back in town!

Joe Bouchard:  If you see pictures of me with a Fender Bass that has a sort of mirror pickguard...well, that's actually Phil Lynott's bass.   They had some great equipment.  Your basic Marshall amps and Fender guitars. Stuff like that. And we never sounded better! (laughs)  We sounded great on Thin Lizzy's equipment.  It was all good.  We've played a cover of "Jailbreak."  We were definitely good friends of theirs.  But like I said, not that many from that era.

Casey Chambers:  When did you first hear the seed of what would become the song..."(Don't Fear) The Reaper?"  When did you get to put your bass on it?

Joe Bouchard:  I first heard it...and this is another song that was written by our guitarist Buck 1975 when we were developing songs on what was to become our "Agents Of Fortune" album.

Normally, we would be rushed into recording, touring and then going back into the studio to rush out an album...and then going right back out on tour again.  But we had put out a live album in 1975 called, "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees," so that gave us a few extra months to develop some songs.   We would have meetings and play our cassette tapes and say, 'which ones should we work on?'

Buck Dharma brought in the demo for "(Don't Fear) The Reaper."  It!  This is gonna be a hit.  And it was really hard to find a hit for a band like Blue Oyster Cult.  We were definitely different from the regular pop music that was on the radio at the time.  But once we heard "(Don't Fear) The Reaper," I was completely convinced it was gonna be a hit.

We went on a tour of Europe for about six weeks and we played this cassette demo for people from the record company.  And the reaction was the same.  They loved it.  They loved it!  When we came back to New York after the tour, we went into the studio and the rest is history.  I think we did about eight takes.  And the eighth take or maybe it was the seventh take...that was the one.  That's the one that gets played on the radio all the time to this day.

"(Don't Fear) The Reaper" -- Blue Oyster Cult / "Agents Of Fortune" (1976)  

Casey Chambers:  That's good stuff!  What about that creepy middle break?  The mid-section.  Was that there from the very beginning?

Joe Bouchard:  Pretty much.  Very close.  I changed the bass a little bit in that part of the song.

Casey Chambers:  I remember hearing the album track for the first time after listening to the radio play the single edit so often...and my jaw dropped. It was so badass.

Joe Bouchard:  The magic is...after you put this strange part of the song in the middle, you come back to what you heard in the first two verses...and it just becomes...magical.  It gives me chills.  Even now.  I play it a lot as a soloist.  With other bands.  It's like one of those songs that if I go to a gig and I don't play that song, there's gonna be a lot of disappointed people.

Even though I don't play in Blue Oyster Cult, like I used to, it is still one of those signature songs that you cannot get away from.  We were very, very lucky in that respect.  Some bands have hits that are so bad...and they have to play them all the time.  Not so for "...The Reaper."  "...The Reaper" is just in a category by itself.

Casey Chambers:  Absolutely.  It still sounds fresh and I hear it on the radio all the time.

Joe Bouchard:  Yeah. (laughs)

Casey Chambers:  What was it like for you guys watching that song take off?

Joe Bouchard:  Well, we were touring at the time.  And the places we played would be, maybe, about half full.  But as soon as "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" took off, it was sellouts night after night.  It was like...Holy Mackerel!  Something happened.  We had bigger tours.  For about six years, we were on top of the business.  It was a tremendous feeling.  I think we put the album out in the spring but wasn't until October that it really took off.  We could see it night after night.  There would be full houses.  We started drawing more females.  Before that, it was just guys in leather jackets and jeans.  "...Reaper" just appealed to everybody.  And the whole complexion of the tours changed after that.  It was really good.

Casey Chambers:  There's a buried treasure, as Tom Petty would say, on side two of "Agents..." that you wrote called "Morning Final."

Joe Bouchard:
 Yes.  Well, I was actually staying in the city at Patti Smith's apartment with Allen Lanier, our keyboard player. They were living together at the time.  We were just sort of crashing at different places.  And there was this murder that happened in the subway.  And the subway stop was like, maybe, 100 feet from the door where I was staying.  So that was the idea.  I read about it in the newspaper.  And I said, 'oh I got to write a song about this.'

"Morning Final" --  Blue Oyster Cult / "Agents of Fortune" (1976)

I never thought it would end up on an album, but you never know.  It did really well.  The guy who plays with Blue Oyster Cult...Richie Castellano...sings the song when they do it live and he does a great job.  They all do an amazing job of playing that song.  But yeah, that's kind of the story.  It happened in the subway.  It was really close to where I was living and it kinda freaked me out.

Casey Chambers:  Blood on the tracks and Patti and Lanier in the kitchen.  Scary stuff! (laughs)

Joe Bouchard:  Yeah. (laughs)  But ya know, that was kinda what Blue Oyster Cult wrote about.  Science-fiction and bizarre mysteries.  Stuff that wasn't your typical love song type of thing.  Although "...Reaper" managed to slip in not only science-fiction and horror but a love song at the same time, ya know?  That's part of the magic.

Casey Chambers:  Yeah, and that was part of what made the band stand out.  That ominous edginess.  And "Agents Of Fortune" was my entry point into your discography.  So, it's a special one...and absolutely a terrific one.  But not necessarily your best one.  I'd argue that the band hit a high bar, both before and after that album.  In fact, starting with BOC's debut in '72, you guys had an incredibly long streak of killer albums.

Joe Bouchard:  Yeah.  Yeah.  I agree.  It was really strong on all levels.

Casey Chambers:  Let me switch gears.  I picked up your CD..."Jukebox In My Head" I'd never seen before and it's just killer.  I was crankin' the song... "Travelin' Freak Show" all week.  Hope to find it on vinyl.

Joe Bouchard:  Oh yeah, yeah.  That's on my first solo album.  It came out in 2009.  The drummer from Lynyrd Skynyrd, Michael Cartellone, plays the great drum part on that.  That was a lot of fun.

"Travelin' Freak Show" -- Joe Bouchard / "Jukebox In My Head" (2009)

I wrote that song because I heard Alice Cooper on the radio talking about these wild leather boys that became Alice Cooper.  And I was thinking...yeah, a travelin' freak show.   That's what it was like for Alice Cooper back in the day.  So that was the inspiration for that one.  And, of course, I was part of a touring band myself for 16 years, so I know what a travelin' freak show is like. (laughs)

Casey Chambers:  I bet!  That song begs to be cranked to 11.

Joe Bouchard:  Yeah, there's a lot of good tracks on that album.  It's also available on vinyl.  You probably have the first version, but I do have a version now with extended mixes.

Casey Chambers:  Do you ever play that song in your set?

Joe Bouchard:  Ya know, I've never played that one live, but I really should.  One of the problems have to tune the guitar to a drop C sharp.  It's like a really low tuning on the guitar.  And with so many songs to do, I just don't have an extra guitar to tune to a low C Sharp.  But I should give it a try.  I will.  I'll say, 'Casey told me to do it.' (laughs)

Casey Chambers:  Great, I'll own it! (laughs)  And you released another album just this past year.

Joe Bouchard:  Yes. I actually have four solo albums now.  The latest is called, "The Power Of Music" (2016) and it's receiving great reviews.  One of the songs getting a lot of attention is "Walk With The Devil."  It's a sorta rewrite of the old story of the bluesman going down to the crossroads and making a deal with the devil.  So I kind of made it a bit more contemporary and put more modern electric guitar figures in the lyrics.

"Walk With The Devil" -- Joe Bouchard / The Power Of Music" (2016)

Jimi Hendrix is mentioned in that song as well as Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck...and the idea of how the electric guitar developed.  And the guitar solos in the song get more and more frantic as it goes on.  It was a lot of fun to put together.
And there are other songs from that record that are really interesting, as well.  My friend John Cook has written quite a few songs for me and my other band Blue Coupe...and he wrote "Photographic Evidence" which is a really good one.

My two other albums are "Tales From The Island" (2012) and "New Solid Black" (2014) and they're both a lot of fun.   I love doing solo albums because I get to make all the decisions. (laughs)  I love working in a band too, but there's something about doing an album on your own.  I record them myself.  I produce them myself.  I'm the artist, but I have to be two people.  And I'll think, 'Well, what would Martin Birch do?  What would Sandy Pearlman say?  Would he tell me to go out and sing it again?'  I conjure up all the people I've worked with when I'm working on my albums.  I really love doing them.

Casey Chambers:  You mentioned your other band Blue Coupe.  That's Dennis Dunaway, Albert Bouchard, and yourself. What have you guys been up to?

Joe Bouchard:  Oh, Blue Coupe, yes.  Well, last year Dennis put out his autobiography.  We're talking about Dennis Dunaway.  Founder of Alice Cooper.  It did really well, so we did a lot of shows to promote his book.

We did the Strand Bookstore.  It's a famous bookstore in New York City.  We actually played a bunch of acoustic shows.  We played the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.  We had a big reception there.

"You (Like Vampires)" --  Blue Coupe / "Tornado on the Tracks" (2013)

Plans are definitely on the table for a new Blue Coupe album. We're starting to book shows for later this year.  We are going down to Florida to do a thing.  We've got a couple of benefits up here in New England.  And it's fun playing with Dennis and my brother Albert.

Casey Chambers:  I'm a big fan of Xmas albums. I can't seem to stop picking them up.  And I heard you were going to be doing a song or two.

Joe Bouchard:  I just did a Christmas album with my brother. All original new songs.  It's called "Manic Panic Christmas." (Albert & the Sleigh Riders)  Albert has been working on this for three years.  He wrote some Christmas songs and was....'well what are we gonna do with them?'

He got some other artists in New York.  He got Joey Ramone's brother, Mickey Leigh to do one of the vocals.  And he sounds just like his brother.  It's awesome.  And Christine Ohlman, who was a singer in the Saturday Night Live Band does an amazing vocal.  Joe Hurley does another song that's really cool.  So it was a lot of our friends from the New York area doing this holiday album.  I sing two songs on it and they're really good.  But it came out late, so you'll hear more of it next Christmas.  We're going to reissue it next year with some remixes and we'll get it out around November.

Casey Chambers:  Joy to the world, yo. (laughs)

Joe Bouchard:  Oh yeah. (laughs)

Casey Chambers:  I'd like to find out what you've been spinning.  Is there an album or two that's been stroking your ears that you would recommend?

Joe Bouchard:  That's a good question.  I like that new Rolling Stones album..."Blue & Lonesome."  I was listening to The Suicide Squad album.  That's a really cool album.  Kings Of Leon.  I like the one they just put out..."Walls."  But mostly, I listen to older stuff.

When I'm writing, I don't want to listen to too much new stuff because I want to see if I can figure out my own thing.  So, I don't listen as much for pleasure as I'd like to.  I think my favorite new album really is The Stones.  It's just a good listening album.  It's simple.  Real bluesy.  Not a lot of bells and whistles, just good basic rock music.

Casey Chambers:  Well, I want to thank you very much for allowing me to cherry-pick a few things.  I could spend all day discussing your music and how much I've enjoyed it.  You've been more than generous with your time.

Joe Bouchard:  Oh, no problem.  It was great.  It was fun talking to you. Thanks so much.

Joe Bouchard Official Website
Blue Coupe Official Website
Blue Oyster Cult

I'll leave everyone with Joe Bouchard's..."Screams"...from Blue Oyster Cult's self-titled debut.  Enjoy!

"Screams" --  Blue Oyster Cult / Blue Oyster Cult (1972) 

Good stuff.

Casey Chambers
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Wednesday, January 4, 2017

7 Favorite Books I Read In 2016

7 Favorite  Books  I  Read  In  2016

Every book is a new book if you haven't read it yet!  And so, let us begin.

"Doctor Sleep" - Stephen King (2013)
...I was just sure I knew how "The Redrum Kid" would turn out.  And, honestly, I was expecting King to fuck it up.  I mean, why play Jenga with The Shining anyway.  But I was wrong on both counts.  Now look, I don't know if I'll ever catch-up with the human printing press...but Lordy, ain't it fun trying.

"Unbroken" - Laura Hillenbrand (2010) ...Holy Schnikes! How much shit can the human spirit handle?  Page-turning non-fiction about WWII survival and POW brutality.  Truly inspiring and hard to imagine.

"Zero Cool" - John Lange (aka Michael Crichton) (1969)...This is pulpish fiction from early Crichton.  A slice of pulp, now and then, is great for occasionally breaking up the more pompous-ass novels that require just a tad more effort...if you get my drift.  Easy, fun read.

"The Family" - Ed Sanders (2002)...This is Charles Manson's world.  Graphically detailed and filled with head-shaking "almosts and what-ifs."  The author is counterculture ex-Fugs member, Ed Sanders, who is a trip unto himself.  Plenty of celebrity name-dropping and hints of satanism and sado-whateverisms.  If you are the least bit interested in the Manson'll have a hard time putting the book down.  (Note to self:  add Fugs album to my collection.)

In a Glass Darkly - J. Sheridan Le Fanu (1872)...A solid short-story collection of wonderful Victorian creepiness.  The last two stories (novellas actually) are especially cream.  "The Room in the Dragon Volant" is a dark mysterioso and "Carmilla" is a fantastic vampire story that beat Bram Stoker to the punch by 20 years. (This is an Amazon freebie for Kindle readers.)

"Altar Of Eden" - James Rollins (2010)
...Let me be up front by saying I'm a big fan of James Rollins.  His books are always thrill-rides that take off before you barely have time to say, "hey, hi you!"  This one is about genetic experimenting gone south, wrapped around scientific facts and possibilities.  Not his best, but it scratched my itch.

"Raptor" - Gary Jennings (1993)...One of the strangest historical novels I've ever read.  It follows the life of a hermaphrodite back in the 5th century of Eastern Europe, who rises to importance while trying to keep it all on the down-low.  Despite the taboo goings-on, Jennings hands us quite an adventure.

And once again,  "Every book is a new book if you haven't read it yet!"  Go out and get you one.

"I'm Reading A Book"  -  Julian Smith

Good stuff!

Casey Chambers

Tuesday, December 6, 2016

Interview: -- James Walsh (Gypsy)

~ Gypsy ~

Gypsy should be a classic rock staple everywhere.  The band had been fine-tuning their musical talents nightly, feasting on overlong house band hours before finally hitting the studio to record their 1970 self-titled debut. By this time, Gypsy was well-oiled and well-tested. And it showed.

It was album rock with a shot of prog.  Cosmic vocals and harmonies with hits of jazz-psych.  Together, you have an almost majestic album.

The band quickly followed with two more albums of equally enjoyable tracks while touring the world with songs just begging classic rock radio crankage.  By their fourth, and final album, Gypsy was long past frustrated and direction-torn.

I was lucky to discover Gypsy while killing time on a recent vinyl-dig.  It was a total blind buy, struck by the beautiful album cover.  As any vinyl enthusiast will quickly tell you, there isn't a much better feeling than dropping the needle on a blind-buy and being pleasantly knocked out by the sound.   Gypsy is just a perfect example of a really good band making really good music getting lost in the sham of the business. Ask your radio to play'em. In the meantime, go out and get you some.

Gypsy (James Walsh Top-Left)

Casey Chambers:  Gypsy released their first album in 1970. What was leading up to that?  How did you score your record deal with Metromedia?

James Walsh:  Gypsy was the house band at the Whisky-a-Go-Go and we played every night of the week.  We'd come early and they'd feed us.  We'd taken over the gig from Chicago after they debuted their double album and left.  We took over their spot.  We got to play with Little Richard and when King Crimson first came to the United States, they played there and we were the opening act for them.  And of course, every night at the Whisky a lot of people...and a lot of record people...hung around there.  It was fun.  Good times.

And Tommy Valando and Artie Valando, who were the president and vice-president of Metromedia came in one night.  They saw us.  Got interested.  And made us an offer.  We had also gotten an offer from Atlantic Records, but we went with Metromedia because they only had one other artist at the time...Bobby Sherman.  He was a TV star who already had a kind of built-in audience, so we thought we would have less chance of being lost in the shuffle going with them.

It was kind of a launching pad deal for us.  But subsequently, it was the wrong decision.  We should have gone with Atlantic.  But that's how we got the record deal.

Casey Chambers:  For Gypsy, or any band for that matter, to release a double album as their debut is a pretty ballsy move. A lot of bands would have sandbagged some songs for their follow-up.  Was that your intent from the very beginning?

James Walsh:  Yeah, well halfway through (recording) our album, we realized we had a lot of good material.  And many of the songs were very long.  Seven, eight...10 minutes long.  So we went to the Vallando Brothers and asked them to let us expand our project into a double album.  Of course, it all had to do with money, 'cause budgets were tight.  After a lot of arguing and negotiating, they let us do it.  We went from a budget of $20,000 to $43,000.  And in 1970, that was a lot of money.  It was a big move for them.  But I think that was a big part of the album's success.

Casey Chambers:  And when the needle drops, the killer opening track, "Gypsy Queen (Part One)" of many lost gems on your self-titled debut...feeds the listener's head.  What a great song to lead-off the album.

"Gypsy Queen (Part One)" -- Gypsy / "Gypsy" (1970)

James Walsh:  Yeah we thought that was the strongest song.  And we got some radio play on it.  That one and "Dead And Gone" were the most successful songs off that album.

Casey Chambers:  "Dead And Gone" was an 11-minute free-ride that hung a progadelic louie three minutes in.  Probably my favorite track.  What were your thoughts when Metromedia edited down the song for single release?

James Walsh:  That was a decision out of our hands. We didn't have much say on it.  The song was just too long for radio.  Nobody was playing anything that long back then.  I didn't like it. If you have a painting, you don't want to just see half of it.

"Dead And Gone" -- Gypsy / "Gypsy" (1970)

Casey Chambers:  Gypsy was very much an album band. When you guys were recording a lengthier number like "Dead And Gone," how difficult was it to get it down?

James Walsh:  My keyboard parts were all worked out in advance.  We did all that pre-production stuff at home, so we knew what we were going to play when we got into the studio. But we didn't have the freedom to cut and paste like they do today with the digital.  It was all tape.  Analog tape.  So, we had to play those songs from the front to the back without stopping.  And sometimes it did get very frustrating when we were six minutes into the song and someone made a mistake.  And then you'd have to go back and start over, but we got through it.

Casey Chambers:  What was the songwriting process like for you guys?

James Walsh:  Enrico Rosenbaum (lead singer) would usually come up with a lyrical idea.  Or maybe a riff or two.  And then Jim Johnson (guitarist, vocals) and I would arrange the songs. Like all of the middle section of "Dead And Gone" was done by Jim and I.  And all the song beginnings were done by Jim and I.  That was kind of our forte.  Enrico was the lyricist and we were the instrumental parts of the whole thing.  Three minds on it.  That's what I think brought a special edge to our music.

Casey Chambers:  Your first songwriting credit for Gypsy was the jazzy-psych mood-slide..."The Third Eye." How did you go about presenting that song to the band?

James Walsh:  We had regular songwriting meetings where we got together to rehearse and we'd present our songs.  And it was always nice to have other people's input, ya know?  Then we would work on it, if we decided we might record it.  Prior to doing an album, we would put together maybe 20 or 25 songs and then slowly work it down to the ones that were going to be on the album.

"The Third Eye" -- Gypsy / "Gypsy" (1970) 

Casey Chambers:  After the album dropped, did you guys hit the road running?

James Walsh:  All over the country, yeah.  And then when we did our second album, we toured all over the world.  We were the opening act for The Guess Who for two and half years.   We traveled everywhere with them.

Casey Chambers:  That's cool.  I guess you got to know those guys pretty well.

James Walsh:  Oh yeah.  Their (record) company actually bought our company. We flew everywhere.  We didn't travel by bus, 'cause you couldn't get away with it back then.  Not with all the equipment.  Yeah, we knew them very well.

Casey Chambers:  You mentioned Gypsy's second album, "In The Garden" (1971), another progadelic gem begging rediscovery.  The 12-minute epic..."As Far As You Can See" just killer.  What a great song and intro.

James Walsh:  Our drummer, Bill Lordan, and I were at the studio one night.  We were just kind of monkeying around looking for something to tag onto the front of that song.  It's kinda eerie the way it starts and then becomes more and more aggressive with the keyboards and guitars and stuff. It worked out perfect and we still play that song, too.

"As Far As You Can See" -- Gypsy / "In The Garden" (1971)

Casey Chambers:  Earlier, you'd mentioned taking over the house band gig from Chicago.  When you guys recorded your 4th album, "Unlock The Gates" in '73, you had Chicago's horn section sit-in, right?

James Walsh:  Yeah, Chicago were good friends of ours. Every Sunday, we'd play some sports with them.  Gypsy against Chicago.  And we were just talking one day about having horns on an album.  It took us about three months to get permission from Columbia Records to let them do it, but they finally did and it was a lot of fun.  And that kind of led into what is today's band.  Now we've got four horns and it's a 10 piece band.  And that was kind of the start of that.  I love the horns.

Casey Chambers:  Gypsy got the chance to perform at both of the legendary Fillmores.  What a nice coup for anyone's bucket list.

James Walsh:  Fabulous places. Well run. Great crowds.  And we played both East and West several times. Gypsy played at the west coast Fillmore with Spirit and Savoy Brown.  And we also played at the New York Fillmore with Poco and Savoy Brown a couple of times.  So it was a lot of fun.  For $2.00 a night, you'd see three great bands.

Casey Chambers:  Wow, you're killing me.

James Walsh:  Yeah, no kidding.  It's crazy.

Casey Chambers:  In 1978, you released a new album under the moniker..."James Walsh Gypsy Band", which had more pop-rock leanings.  More horns and blue-eyed funkiness.  "Cuz It's You Girl" was the break-out track and it was no wonder.  The song was catchy and very much a part of the times.

"Cuz It's You Girl" -- James Walsh Gypsy Band / "James Walsh Gypsy Band" (1978)

James Walsh:  Well, I had come home in 1975 from Los Angeles after Gypsy had kind of lost its momentum and I started another band and presented some songs to Warren Schatz who was the A&R director for RCA Records.  He fell in love with, "Cuz It's You Girl" and subsequently gave me a record deal.  So we recorded that album here in Minneapolis and it did very well.  We went on a tour with that for a couple of years.

And there's a lot of great instrumental stuff on it, too.  We had the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra play with us on that album.  Big orchestra.  About 40 pieces.  It was pretty cool.  We had an idea we wanted to add some strings and we thought...if we were going to do it, let's do it right.  So we made some calls to the union and got ahold of the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra.  We put charts together and the leader came down and reviewed the material.  It cost about $7,500 to have them in for one day.  But it worked out well.  That record is still being sold by RCA all over the world.

Casey Chambers:  Before I forget, I'd like to back up and ask you about the time Gypsy played the Atlanta Pop Festival in 1970.

James Walsh:  That show was huge.  There was about 350,000 people there. And it was almost the same lineup as Woodstock.  Hendrix and all the great ones were there.  And they had to helicopter us in and out.  It was a mess getting anywhere.  But it was really incredible.  Yeah, it was just awesome.

Casey Chambers:  What a memory-burn that must have been.  Did you cross paths with Hendrix at the show?

James Walsh:  Absolutely.  Yes.  And Jimi also came out to see us at the Whisky A Go Go.  And he came out to our house and stayed with us for a couple of days.

Casey Chambers:  Get out!

James Walsh:  Yeah, he was a very nice guy.  Very quiet.  A gentleman.  It was great.  Got to play a little bit with him, too. Talk music. And, Jimi was a veteran like our guitar player, Jim Johnson, so they had a lot to discuss about that. It was a nice time.

Casey Chambers:  There is a documentary..."Gypsy: Rock & Roll Nomads"...that just came out.

James Walsh:  Yes, and it's doing very well  It's won some film festival awards up here in the city.  And it recently played at the St. Louis International Film Festival.  I think they're planning on going to Sundance with it, as well.  It's really quite an honor after all this time, ya know?  We never quite reached the level we had hoped to.  But this documentary certainly puts everything into perspective for us.

"Gypsy: Rock & Roll Nomads" Official Trailer (2016)

Casey Chambers:  I watched the trailer.  Can't wait to see it. Plus you guys are going to be hitting the stage again real soon.  It's going to be great hearing those classic songs bleed the amps.

James Walsh:  Oh yeah.  People still love hearing those songs in concert.  Matter of fact, when we play, the first 30 or 35 minutes is constant music.  It's pretty cool.  We're going to be performing two shows down in St. Louis at the Wildey Theatre on January 28, 2017.  We're also going to be at the River City Casino in St. Louis in April.

Casey Chambers:  Excellent. That's gonna be some good stuff.  James, it has been a pleasure.  Thanks for hanging out.

James Walsh:  Well, I appreciate it, Casey.

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